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I agree that Kalven principles represent the best guideline to universities. I will support my school adopting them. Once adopted, they should be followed with no exceptions.

However, one cannot choose and pick when to remain neutral and when to speak. If a university have spoken on every imaginable issue -- abortions, immigration, policing, supreme court decisions, climate, elections -- then it has to speak now. Jerry Coyne made this point clear:

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/10/11/how-uber-woke-colleges-respond-publicly-to-the-horrific-slaughter-rape-and-kidnapping-by-hamas/

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Just to note that about 6 years ago M. Schill, then Presiden of the University of Oregon, together with the school provost issued a statement saying "We are troubled by the decision of the new US administration to begin a process of closing our borders by indefinitely banning refugees from Syria, placing a 120-day ban on refugees from all over the world, blocking new visas from seven predominantly Muslim countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen) for 90 days, and signaling a religious test for admittance of new refugees." Of course, it was a lot of blah-blah-blah about talents and so on, but nevertheless, that was a strictly political statetment.

I understand attacking Trump in the name of university is fine, whereas attacking terrorists is too much. Especially for a Jew.

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The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .

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“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump

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What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?

So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.

The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.

It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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I disagree with your comment. If one has erred in the past, one doesn't necessarily have to continue to err just for the sake of consistency. I like the example given in the article, especially, in which the Institution "learns" and selects a new leader who applies Kalven now even if it had been neglected in the past (by a predecessor).

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I do not mean that those universities who spoke in the past cannot adopt Kalven principles. Of course they can -- and we want them to. But they need to do it openly and fully. They also need to say out loud that they distance themselves from their past public statements.

And given the present situation, I would also expect a special explanation of why the epiphany of institutional neutrality descended on them exactly in this moment.

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Oct 23, 2023Liked by Anna Krylov

I very much appreciate your rational commentary. I trust that through logical fact-based discussions we'll reach intelligent decisions.

For example, consider the fact that Hamas acquired power in Gaza through an Election, meaning that they represent most of the population. After the actions of Hamas on Black Sabbath, I think that Gaza forfeited their claim for a Free State.

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“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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बलात्कार जिहाद का प्रमुख हथियार है।

(Rape is the main weapon of Jihad.)

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यहूदियों और मुसलमानों की जड़ें और रीति-रिवाज समान हैं।

(Jews and Muslims have similar roots and customs.)

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https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/67

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“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL . . . BECAUSE IT IS ONLY FAIR . . .

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Sweden: Jews Call for Ban on Nordic Resistance Movement . . .

❝I ALWAYS LIKE to take note of Jewish organisations calling for bans on immigration resistance parties. You could say “Why bother? We’re surrounded by Jews screeching for White Genocide in various, usually artfully disguised, ways. This is just another twig on the bonfire.”

This is true. But arguments about the JQ and its relationship to White minoritization are open to various kinds of objection. You can quote this or that Jewish journalist calling for open borders or abolishing White people. Objection? “It’s just one guy; no proof he’s representative of anything other than himself; besides, he’s making a legitimate argument that’s open to democratic debate.”

That is why calls for bans on political parties assume a special moral significance. It’s a demand for the suppression of debate. And when it comes from an organization that claims to be representative of Jewry, and that claim goes unchallenged, then a special moral culpability attaches to the Jews.❞

https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/03/sweden-jews-call-for-ban-on-nordic-resistance-movement/

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Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative . . . They are the same ideals.

The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.

Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples.

One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.

Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire

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Like president Schill, I cannot speak for everyone in the MIT Free Speech Alliance, but what he says exemplifies what we represent. Also like president Schill, I’m Jewish and cannot imagine how any rational human being can condone what Hamas has done. These acts precisely parallel those of Kristalnacht—with a double side order of added barbarity.

That said, allowing free expression of horrific sentiments and beliefs, while painful, is necessary for several reasons. First, it identifies the arguments that underlie the evil. Thus identified, we can counter them. Second, it also identifies the evil people—at least the ones bold enough not to hide after expressing themselves. We, who are pro-Israel, aren’t shy about identifying ourselves.

And third, we have a little rule book called the Constitution that explicitly requires freedom of expression. The Bill of Rights makes no exception in the First Amendment for the expression of evil. I believe that the correct responses to evil speech is more and countervailing speech. And if evil speech becomes evil action, the ability to defend oneself is required. By any means necessary.

As a side note, the previous three MIT presidents, Chuck Vest, Susan Hockman, and Rafael Reif were all very free about speaking ~as~ MIT presidents, implying that what they said represented the general sentiments of MIT professors, students, and alumni. Often they didn’t represent those positions. I know they were called on doing that because I personally protested those actions directly to all three of them. Only Reif finally recognized that what they had been doing was wrong and stopped doing it. Our current president seems to have adopted president Schill’s stance on the matter. A good thing, that.

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Great comment. I disagree that self-defense is required "by any means necessary." No, there are lots of rules also on how to make war.

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OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL . . . BECAUSE IT IS ONLY FAIR . . .

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Sweden: Jews Call for Ban on Nordic Resistance Movement . . .

❝I ALWAYS LIKE to take note of Jewish organisations calling for bans on immigration resistance parties. You could say “Why bother? We’re surrounded by Jews screeching for White Genocide in various, usually artfully disguised, ways. This is just another twig on the bonfire.”

This is true. But arguments about the JQ and its relationship to White minoritization are open to various kinds of objection. You can quote this or that Jewish journalist calling for open borders or abolishing White people. Objection? “It’s just one guy; no proof he’s representative of anything other than himself; besides, he’s making a legitimate argument that’s open to democratic debate.”

That is why calls for bans on political parties assume a special moral significance. It’s a demand for the suppression of debate. And when it comes from an organization that claims to be representative of Jewry, and that claim goes unchallenged, then a special moral culpability attaches to the Jews.❞

https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/03/sweden-jews-call-for-ban-on-nordic-resistance-movement/

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We can agree to disagree. If I’m endangered, or someone I love is, the gloves come off.

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Yes, agree to disagree. In a geopolitical sense, not an individual self-defense: no chemical weapons, indiscriminate targeting of civilians, no nuclear weapons, no torture, ... (lots of rules of war).

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Peter—where the Israelis and I part company is that I’m willing to break the same rules as my enemies break. If they use nukes, I use nukes, if they torture, so do I. I will have either a level playing field or one that tips to my advantage. I’m more practical than I am noble.

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If you choose to torture then you are no better than those you torture. If they rape, do you then rape?

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बलात्कार जिहाद का प्रमुख हथियार है।

(Rape is the main weapon of Jihad.)

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यहूदियों और मुसलमानों की जड़ें और रीति-रिवाज समान हैं।

(Jews and Muslims have similar roots and customs.)

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https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/67b

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OK.

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Wow, how nice of you. Just to note that about 6 years ago M. Schill, then Presiden of the University of Oregon, together with the school provost issued a statement saying "We are troubled by the decision of the new US administration to begin a process of closing our borders by indefinitely banning refugees from Syria, placing a 120-day ban on refugees from all over the world, blocking new visas from seven predominantly Muslim countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen) for 90 days, and signaling a religious test for admittance of new refugees." Of course, it was a lot of blah-blah-blah about talents and so on, but nevertheless, that was a strictly political statetment.

I understand attacking Trump in the name of university is fine, whereas attacking terrorists is too much. Especially for a Jew.

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OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL . . . BECAUSE IT IS ONLY FAIR . . .

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Sweden: Jews Call for Ban on Nordic Resistance Movement . . .

❝I ALWAYS LIKE to take note of Jewish organisations calling for bans on immigration resistance parties. You could say “Why bother? We’re surrounded by Jews screeching for White Genocide in various, usually artfully disguised, ways. This is just another twig on the bonfire.”

This is true. But arguments about the JQ and its relationship to White minoritization are open to various kinds of objection. You can quote this or that Jewish journalist calling for open borders or abolishing White people. Objection? “It’s just one guy; no proof he’s representative of anything other than himself; besides, he’s making a legitimate argument that’s open to democratic debate.”

That is why calls for bans on political parties assume a special moral significance. It’s a demand for the suppression of debate. And when it comes from an organization that claims to be representative of Jewry, and that claim goes unchallenged, then a special moral culpability attaches to the Jews.❞

https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/03/sweden-jews-call-for-ban-on-nordic-resistance-movement/

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I agree with you and similarly hope he will stick to this policy. That said, it would be interesting to know when he adopted it, and I'll wait to see how he reacts to social and political events in the future before celebrating, because neutrality does not appear to have been his practice at the University of Oregon:

https://president.uoregon.edu/supreme-court-ruling-reproductive-rights

https://president.uoregon.edu/condemning-anti-semitic-violence

https://president.uoregon.edu/derek-chauvin-trial-verdict

https://president.uoregon.edu/condemning-violence-dc

https://president.uoregon.edu/speaking-out-against-hatred-racism-and-violence

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Amazing, thanks. I'll add Williams to my list of institutions to check on next time!

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“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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Thank you, Professor Bailey, for letting me read this. I'm not commenting on the substance since I'm not an academic and have no connection to your university. I've already said enough, perhaps more than enough, on Twitter/X. With good wishes as ever. Brian Robinson, retired NHS psychiatrist, UK.

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Funding Both Sides: How Jewish Money Controls British Politics . . .

“During the previous Labour government, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were ardent Zionists because they accepted the justice of Israel’s cause, not because Labour’s chief fund-raisers were first the Jew Michael Levy and then the Jew Jonathan Mendelsohn (both are now members of the House of Lords). And during the current Conservative government, David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson have been ardent Zionists because they too accept the justice of Israel’s cause, not because the Conservatives’ chief fund-raisers have been first the Jew Sir Mick Davis and then the Jew Sir Ehud Sheleg.”

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/10/04/funding-both-sides-how-jewish-money-controls-british-politics/

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Re Kalven

“Social and Political issues” are just that. The human atrocities of terrorism are outside of that realm and quite another thing. If an institution like Northwestern University were to go outside of Kalven and officially condemn terrorism, it would not necessarily be censoring the speech related to the intellectual interrogation of it. Just the unbalanced “support” of it in such forms as protests against Jews while carrying Hamas flags and banners.

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“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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What Anna wants would be best, but I'll settle for change without distancing from the past. I do require actual consistent change, however.

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Taken from the Kalven report : "Our basic conviction is that a great university can perform greatly for the betterment of society" is anyone seriously suggesting the not taking an official stand against acts of atrocity is for "betterment of society" ?

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The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?

So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.

The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.

It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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I agree that universities should be free to not make declarations on political issues and conflicts. But I am unsure if institutions can fall under the freedom of expression and make collective declarations as such.

However, it is clear that freedom of expression has its limits, especially when opinions endanger students and workers, or if they bring hate speech. So at least universities should have acted against that.

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Fuck you and your Jewish god . . . Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative . . . They are the same ideals.

The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.

Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . .

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples.

One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.

Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire

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