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Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

This is a well written and important piece. I agree with the author that both the lab leak and natural origin hypotheses should be open for exploration. Sadly, the damage to science has been done...and the GOF function research community and most scientists frankly deserve the bulk of the blame for the public's rightful distrust of science. The reality is that GOF research that was being funded by NIH at the Wuhan lab of virology had been made illegal by the US Congress. Elected officials, not the scientific community, had the final word on whether such research should be allowed. The arrogant scientific community broke the law. It does not matter at that point whether the virus arose from a lab leak. The scientific community demonstrated that it cannot be trusted with the resources to conduct such research. The massive defunding science is now facing is the least of what should occur. Frankly...many in the GOF research community should be under arrest and facing prison time for taking risks that public officials had denied them the right to engage in. The scientific community will not hope to regain any credibility until it demands these scientists pay the price for their arrogance.

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I am the author of this post and I want to issue some corrections, as the blog owner doesn't seem to want to take the piece down.

First of all, I want to emphasize that I do not consider "just asking questions" to be a valid rhetorical device to shoe-horn bad thinking into academia. I do believe conspiracy theories to be hypotheses, but not all of them are good, and most people who peddle them do not treat them as hypotheses at all. Including some people reading this blog. I included this statement to attempt to make this clear ----- "It may enter crazy territory when its proponents do not offer a way to falsify it and then extrapolate unfounded conclusions. There are certainly lab leak proponents who take it in this direction. But there is nothing wrong with asking a question if you do it scientifically." --- However I realize the ease at which readers can dismiss this sentence as being about other people, and not them. It is not and never has been my intention to promote conspiracy thinking and I am horrified at the possibility that it may have been interpreted this way. In my attempt to be balanced, I failed.

Second of all, The WiV laboratory on the hotseat was not doing simulated evolution. They were genetically modifying virus particles. I failed to make this clear because I was editing for length and by mistake a false connection between WiV and passaging/simulated evolution resulted. Furthermore, my reason for explaining passaging was to give some clarity to the misunderstanding if it's gain-of-function, then it's bad, but there are lots of types of GOF and not all of them are risky. In the literature, the "risky" type of GOF is the type that generates "PPPs" or Potential Pandemic Pathogens. This is what Marc Lipsitch opposes. His perspective on this makes sense to me as someone who reads a lot about the philosophy of science behind evolution. But Lipsitch disagreeing with GOF doesn't mean he supports lab leak. Another accidental conflation I didn't intend to make.

Furthermore, after exchanges behind the scenes with another HxSTEM reader, who should be submitting a piece to follow up this one soon, I realized that I am not actually qualified to assess the two perspectives on the lab leak hypothesis. This paper (https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(24)00901-2) seems rigorous and traces a common ancestor of the pandemic virus and a virus found at the Wuhan market to be the same, along with evidence that various mammal species were shedding viruses at that time in the location where the bulk of initial cases were. This does provide very good support for a natural origin. However, Matt Ridley shares his rejected COVID-19 origin paper on his substack which can be found here: https://rationaloptimistsociety.substack.com/i/164035356/the-preponderance-of-evidence-suggests-that-the-covid-pandemic-began-as-a-result-of-a-research-accident. In this paper, he explains why he still believes the lab leak hypothesis. I am not qualified to assess either of these papers to determine which is making the better case. You are welcomed to read both of them as well as the many hundreds of other papers on this topic and decide for yourself.

You may find, though, that in doing that you're just as in over your head as I was in trying to weigh in on this issue. I do not belong in this discussion, and I apologize for having accidentally strengthened the anti-science movement. I will say that I think there's not much I can do to stop the anti-science movement as a whole because it likely started long before I was ever born and reached the point of no return before I ever finished college.

One of my own career goals was to try to bridge the gap between the right and the left on science issues and help people understand that you don't have to sign on to an entire ideology just because you agree with one part of it, a thing I see a lot of people doing regardless of education level. HxSTEM's mission is one that I support, but all too often these groups claiming to want to "think for themselves" just become a reservoir for populist paranoia and oversimplification of key issues. Academia leans left, and this means anyone who doubts any part of the progressive left-leaning worldview is suddenly a conservative and ends up over here.

I had intended to write another post about the mRNA vaccine, which I support, and which breaks from the usual cluster of viewpoints, which I thought I was clear about in my last few paragraphs but it seems I wasn't. But I have decided not to weigh in anymore on this topic at all. Thanks for reading, and I am sorry for making things worse.

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