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Anna Krylov's avatar

A thoughtful essay, with good references. I am pleased to see the mention of Ceci et al work that shows that biases against women no longer exist, with a possible exception in teaching evaluations. At the very least, we should be honest and data-driven when we talk about issues of diversity.

I broadly agree with the main points made. Yet... Do we really want neutral pH everywhere? This would severely limit the scope of chemistry we can have -- in the real world, we need both strongly acidic and strongly basic environments for the diversity of outcomes. For example, I think it is perfectly ok to have uneven gender distributions that reflect gender-specific preferences [1], as long as these unequal distributions arise due to benign factors (individual choices and preferences) and not due to discrimination. We have already achieved gender near-equity in STEMM overall, but representation of women is not equal across different fields -- more women in life sciences and less in physics and engineering [2]. Is this a problem? If it is - what should we do with health and life sciences then? Start discouraging women to go into these fields?

[1] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201707/why-brilliant-girls-tend-favor-non-stem-careers

[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2021/04/01/stem-jobs-see-uneven-progress-in-increasing-gender-racial-and-ethnic-diversity/

"Women earned 53% of STEM college degrees in 2018, smaller than their 58% share of all college degrees. The gender dynamics in STEM degree attainment mirror many of those seen across STEM job clusters. For instance, women earned 85% of the bachelor’s degrees in health-related fields, but just 22% in engineering and 19% in computer science as of 2018. "

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George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

"We can and should speak about the glass ceiling and leaky pipe problems in science, about intersectionality, about the lack of representation for minorities, about DEI. There is still much to do. But the positive side is that we have many women, LGBT and people of color as professors, and most of us agree that we would like to see more of them at every level of the university hierarchy. "

So, in other words, there are actually no problems, except the need for problems. We have a truly terrible problem in academia, and society at large - there is not enough racism, sexism, whateverism to satisfy the terrible need for "ism". It's an "ism" shortage.

The problem with this ridiculous essay is that the author wants both to have "ism" and no "ism" at the same time. And anytime some says "intersectionality", I know that this is a Woke Joke.

As to "more of them", as a STEM professional, this is a repugnant and repulsive sentiment. We need excellence, and equity is the enemy of excellence. We need more great scholars, and this is NOT accomplished by quotas, required counts of skin color metrics, etc. In addition, somehow Asians are never considered in these counting games.

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